When I mentioned about Vedas and Quran from the same source and said that the Divinities of Vedas and Quran are one and the same, a friend in a private mail asked: "Are you specifically talking about Angels in Quran? Are you saying Angels and Deities in Hinduism are same?"
I never said that angels and deities in Hinduism are one the same. I feel it is time to clarify further I meant when I said that deities mentioned in Vedas and Quran are one and the same. Here's my view:
I am not talking about angels nor saying angels and deities in Hinduism are same. If Hindus have not understood the subject that is being talked about in Vedas, Muslims too have not understood several facts described in Quran. I understood them because I had the opportunity to read sacred books of other religions, particularly Hinduism.
Quran is talking of Ahlulbayt and saying that God has made them perfectly pure. Ahlulbayt are 14 in number. They are as follows: Mohammad (the Prophet); Ali (Prophet's cousin and husband of his daughter Fatima); Fatima (daughter of Mohammad married to Ali); Hasan (son of Ali and Fatima); Husain (son of Ali and Fatima); Ali (son of Husain); Mohammad (son of Ali son of Husain); Jafar (son of Mohammad son of Ali); Musa (son of Jafar son of Mohammad); Ali (son of Musa son of Jafar); Mohammad (son of Ali son of Musa); Ali (son of Mohammad son of Ali); Mohammad (son of Ali son of Mohammad); Hasan (son of Mohammad son of Ali) and Mohammad (son of Hasan). These are 14 in number who lived in human bodies for close to 300 years.
If you notice 14 Ahlulbayt have only 7 names; 4 are Mohammad, 4 are Ali, 2 are Hasan, 1 Fatima, 1 Husain, 1 Jafar, 1 Musa). Mohammad said that my NOOR (light) was made even before Adam was created and said that Mohammad and Ali are from the same Noor. Mohammad also said that Fatima is part of me and Hasan and Husain are the leaders of the youth of heaven. He also said that all 14 are one and the same; thus meaning the Noor working in all the 14 was same and identical. When Quran is talking about Divinities at the time of creation of Adam, it is talking about the light of these Ahlulbayt, which was in heaven at the time.
You are requested to read the character of these Ahlulbayt. They were the most pious people that ever lived on the face of earth, they possessed the greatest of knowledge, even foretold what was to happen in future and showed innumerable miracles as proofs of their relationship with Divinity. It is unfortunate that they were tortured and killed, imprisoned and even their family members and those close to them were not spared. All their lives they just showed to us how we should spend our entire lives in the worship of God. Because the purpose of our creation is worship; either directly of God or through serving His Creation. The Powers of Darkness used their entire forces to see to it that these personalities were not properly identified and people do not come close to them. Why? Because it is they who comprised the rope to salvation and the Powers of Darkness would never like people recognizing the Powers of Light, as this would mean defeat of Zulmat (Tamas/Darkness).
Unfortunately, when the term Ahlulbayt (meaning 'people of the house') was used, Muslims, due to their inability to understand the lofty position of Ahlulbayt in Divine Creation Plan, translated it as the people of the house of Mohammad. How foolish was this interpretation, because it was the Paramatma who was referring to them as People of the House and not Prophet Mohammad. Therefore, the term should have been translated as People of the House (of God) and not People of the House (of Mohammad). Another symbolic representation was the Baytullah (House of God) viz. Kaaba, which was situated in the same region to signify for ages that Manifest Representations of the People of the House of God will take birth near House of God.
Vedas are actually referring to these Ahlulbayt, when they are talking about Devatas. The Devatas of Vedas and Ahlulbayt of the Quran are one and the same with the only difference that while in Vedas people were imploring them to come, praying to Devatas in various hymns to arrive, pledging that when the Devatas would take birth in human form, they would protect them and fight with them against the powers of darkness, when the Devatas indeed came as Ahlulbayt none could understand that they were the same for whom they were waiting for. People of Arabia where they had descended couldn't identify them. Yet, the force of their teachings and persona was such that they indeed accepted their teachings. But with their rajasik (materialistic) and tamasik (dark) bent of mind, they fell pray to the Forces of Darkness and tortured them, put them in house arrest, imprisoned them and killed them. Yet, whatever little time that they got, the Ahlulbayt showed such high levels of knowledge and spiritual excellence that none has the capacity to match them.
The Vedas are truly Divine Book. Our forefathers 5000 years back need to be praised because they were the true followers of Vedas. If there had been no Vedas, we would never have understood the true position of Ahlulbayt in Divine Creation Plan. The Brahmins who protected the Vedas from the forces unleashed by Powers of Darkness too need to be praised, because they brought the Vedas intact to us. But we must remember, we are yet to understand the true teachings of Vedas.
Vedas are also talking of 14 Manus. Manu means progenitors of mankind. At times they are referred to as 7. Why? Because they had 7 names. Devatas are described as perfectly pure, where Quran is describing Ahlulbayt as perfectly pure. Upanishads are even talking of the process of creation of the Noor (Divya) of the Devatas and tell how the One Light divided into two exactly same as the first from whom the division took place and then portion or part of one united with the other half to form hiranyagarbha (the golden womb), which gave birth to two more making it 5 and eventually the process continues till there are 14 lights, who were made the guardians of the 14 spheres. Compare this with the description by Mohammad given earlier. Devatas too are sometimes describe as 5, 7 or 14. At times even term 7 and 7 is used to indicate they are 7 names of 14. It is said in Upanishads that all Life is courtesy these 7; in fact these 7 are Life. Hadees-e-Kisa, a tradition common among Muslims say that the God created everything, including the sun, the moon, the stars, the skies, in love of these Ahlulbayt. The Devatas are also described as guardians of our organs of action and senses; they are described as truthful and pious, and mutable and immutable, thereby meaning that they are all powerful in Divya or Noor state but when the Noor descended in pious bodies on earth, they possess limited powers. This too has been described in the Upanishads.
The distorted myths that you hear about Devatas are actual byproducts of efforts of Forces of Darkness. If books like 'Rangeela Rasool' can be written during just 1400 years after Mohammad's demise, despite the great lofty character that he possessed, one can understand how Indra deva got portrayed as always remaining in the effect of intoxication and impregnating lonely maidens in forest. Fact is that these myths are only there because the people couldn't understand the real Divine Role of the Devatas and the Forces of Darkness used their powers to distort the teachings.
Several incidents of the lives of Devatas when they would come in human form are described in the Vedas. How could the people have understood the meaning? For instance, when Vedas talked of one Light dividing to form two and then part of one mingling with the second division to form Hiranyagarbha, they started discussing how this could be possible and how could the Devi get into a relationship with the other part, as he being the uncle was like a father. This myth is still present in the books and Aditi, to this day, is said to have given birth to Aswins through an illicit relationship. Whereas the truth was that Vedas were talking of a celestial relationship which when unfolded on earth saw Fatima, part of Mohammad, getting married to Ali (cousin of Mohammad) and then giving birth to Hasnain (Aswins viz. Hasan and Husain) while all possessed Noor (light) inside them. Interestingly, marriage of Fatima and Ali and their progeny has been described as silsalatul zahad (Golden Chain), whereas Upanishads have talked of Hiranyagarbha (Golden Womb). Upanishads have used the word 'part' or 'portion' of the Light where as Mohammad, all his life, kept calling Fatima as a part of me and people wrongly understood that Mohammad said so owing to his great love for his daughter. If Quran was saying that Mohammad spoke nothing but what was divinely ordained, we should have tried to understand the true meaning behind what Mohammad was saying.
Even the place Makhah is being described in the Vedas as the sacred place where the Devatas would take birth in human form. Incidents from their lives are described so as to enable the people to identify them when they would take birth. Since Agnideva is Husain in Noor state, hymns devoted to Agnideva are full of mention of sacrifice, killing, fighting, etc. Even the mention of slaying of a young child is described.
Question arises why could those who believed in the Vedas couldn't understand what was being described there. It was because nobody could have ever imagined that the Vedas would talk of Devatas being killed and tortured. They did say that the Vedas are talking of fight between Devatas and Asuras but how could have anybody made a guess that Devatas who were described as all powerful and who lorded over the universe would be slaughtered and killed. To give an example, when the incident of Ali being dragged on the road with noose tied to his neck is described in the Vedas, people translated it as the Devata using the noose of rope to capture his enemies and dragging them. Wherever sacrifice of Agnideva was mentioned, it was seen akin to putting oblations in the fire.
Vedas were repeatedly talking about the time when Devatas viz. Indra deva, Vayu deva, Devi, Agni deva, Vasu deva and the rest will take birth in a secret place. What more secret place could there have been than the barren desert of Arabia, which was distant from all the major caravan routes of the time and you would have to make a special journey into the desert to reach there. Brhad Aranyaka Upanishad says that when on death bed, people used to lament to their sons that they who were to come didn't come in their lifetime and if they come in the lifetime of their sons, they should support them. This shows that people were waiting for someone to come, who had not come even after the Vedas were written.
Can the present day commentators elaborate who were the people at the time of writing of Upanishad that people were waiting for? And why they could never explain how, why and when Devatas and Asuras fought pitched battles. Inability to understand these led to later day commentators refuting the very presence of Devatas, thus further deviating from the true intended meaning.
Any questions/clarifications related to this, feel free to ask. You may also write at mohammadalvi786@gmail.com
I never said that angels and deities in Hinduism are one the same. I feel it is time to clarify further I meant when I said that deities mentioned in Vedas and Quran are one and the same. Here's my view:
I am not talking about angels nor saying angels and deities in Hinduism are same. If Hindus have not understood the subject that is being talked about in Vedas, Muslims too have not understood several facts described in Quran. I understood them because I had the opportunity to read sacred books of other religions, particularly Hinduism.
Quran is talking of Ahlulbayt and saying that God has made them perfectly pure. Ahlulbayt are 14 in number. They are as follows: Mohammad (the Prophet); Ali (Prophet's cousin and husband of his daughter Fatima); Fatima (daughter of Mohammad married to Ali); Hasan (son of Ali and Fatima); Husain (son of Ali and Fatima); Ali (son of Husain); Mohammad (son of Ali son of Husain); Jafar (son of Mohammad son of Ali); Musa (son of Jafar son of Mohammad); Ali (son of Musa son of Jafar); Mohammad (son of Ali son of Musa); Ali (son of Mohammad son of Ali); Mohammad (son of Ali son of Mohammad); Hasan (son of Mohammad son of Ali) and Mohammad (son of Hasan). These are 14 in number who lived in human bodies for close to 300 years.
If you notice 14 Ahlulbayt have only 7 names; 4 are Mohammad, 4 are Ali, 2 are Hasan, 1 Fatima, 1 Husain, 1 Jafar, 1 Musa). Mohammad said that my NOOR (light) was made even before Adam was created and said that Mohammad and Ali are from the same Noor. Mohammad also said that Fatima is part of me and Hasan and Husain are the leaders of the youth of heaven. He also said that all 14 are one and the same; thus meaning the Noor working in all the 14 was same and identical. When Quran is talking about Divinities at the time of creation of Adam, it is talking about the light of these Ahlulbayt, which was in heaven at the time.
You are requested to read the character of these Ahlulbayt. They were the most pious people that ever lived on the face of earth, they possessed the greatest of knowledge, even foretold what was to happen in future and showed innumerable miracles as proofs of their relationship with Divinity. It is unfortunate that they were tortured and killed, imprisoned and even their family members and those close to them were not spared. All their lives they just showed to us how we should spend our entire lives in the worship of God. Because the purpose of our creation is worship; either directly of God or through serving His Creation. The Powers of Darkness used their entire forces to see to it that these personalities were not properly identified and people do not come close to them. Why? Because it is they who comprised the rope to salvation and the Powers of Darkness would never like people recognizing the Powers of Light, as this would mean defeat of Zulmat (Tamas/Darkness).
Unfortunately, when the term Ahlulbayt (meaning 'people of the house') was used, Muslims, due to their inability to understand the lofty position of Ahlulbayt in Divine Creation Plan, translated it as the people of the house of Mohammad. How foolish was this interpretation, because it was the Paramatma who was referring to them as People of the House and not Prophet Mohammad. Therefore, the term should have been translated as People of the House (of God) and not People of the House (of Mohammad). Another symbolic representation was the Baytullah (House of God) viz. Kaaba, which was situated in the same region to signify for ages that Manifest Representations of the People of the House of God will take birth near House of God.
Vedas are actually referring to these Ahlulbayt, when they are talking about Devatas. The Devatas of Vedas and Ahlulbayt of the Quran are one and the same with the only difference that while in Vedas people were imploring them to come, praying to Devatas in various hymns to arrive, pledging that when the Devatas would take birth in human form, they would protect them and fight with them against the powers of darkness, when the Devatas indeed came as Ahlulbayt none could understand that they were the same for whom they were waiting for. People of Arabia where they had descended couldn't identify them. Yet, the force of their teachings and persona was such that they indeed accepted their teachings. But with their rajasik (materialistic) and tamasik (dark) bent of mind, they fell pray to the Forces of Darkness and tortured them, put them in house arrest, imprisoned them and killed them. Yet, whatever little time that they got, the Ahlulbayt showed such high levels of knowledge and spiritual excellence that none has the capacity to match them.
The Vedas are truly Divine Book. Our forefathers 5000 years back need to be praised because they were the true followers of Vedas. If there had been no Vedas, we would never have understood the true position of Ahlulbayt in Divine Creation Plan. The Brahmins who protected the Vedas from the forces unleashed by Powers of Darkness too need to be praised, because they brought the Vedas intact to us. But we must remember, we are yet to understand the true teachings of Vedas.
Vedas are also talking of 14 Manus. Manu means progenitors of mankind. At times they are referred to as 7. Why? Because they had 7 names. Devatas are described as perfectly pure, where Quran is describing Ahlulbayt as perfectly pure. Upanishads are even talking of the process of creation of the Noor (Divya) of the Devatas and tell how the One Light divided into two exactly same as the first from whom the division took place and then portion or part of one united with the other half to form hiranyagarbha (the golden womb), which gave birth to two more making it 5 and eventually the process continues till there are 14 lights, who were made the guardians of the 14 spheres. Compare this with the description by Mohammad given earlier. Devatas too are sometimes describe as 5, 7 or 14. At times even term 7 and 7 is used to indicate they are 7 names of 14. It is said in Upanishads that all Life is courtesy these 7; in fact these 7 are Life. Hadees-e-Kisa, a tradition common among Muslims say that the God created everything, including the sun, the moon, the stars, the skies, in love of these Ahlulbayt. The Devatas are also described as guardians of our organs of action and senses; they are described as truthful and pious, and mutable and immutable, thereby meaning that they are all powerful in Divya or Noor state but when the Noor descended in pious bodies on earth, they possess limited powers. This too has been described in the Upanishads.
The distorted myths that you hear about Devatas are actual byproducts of efforts of Forces of Darkness. If books like 'Rangeela Rasool' can be written during just 1400 years after Mohammad's demise, despite the great lofty character that he possessed, one can understand how Indra deva got portrayed as always remaining in the effect of intoxication and impregnating lonely maidens in forest. Fact is that these myths are only there because the people couldn't understand the real Divine Role of the Devatas and the Forces of Darkness used their powers to distort the teachings.
Several incidents of the lives of Devatas when they would come in human form are described in the Vedas. How could the people have understood the meaning? For instance, when Vedas talked of one Light dividing to form two and then part of one mingling with the second division to form Hiranyagarbha, they started discussing how this could be possible and how could the Devi get into a relationship with the other part, as he being the uncle was like a father. This myth is still present in the books and Aditi, to this day, is said to have given birth to Aswins through an illicit relationship. Whereas the truth was that Vedas were talking of a celestial relationship which when unfolded on earth saw Fatima, part of Mohammad, getting married to Ali (cousin of Mohammad) and then giving birth to Hasnain (Aswins viz. Hasan and Husain) while all possessed Noor (light) inside them. Interestingly, marriage of Fatima and Ali and their progeny has been described as silsalatul zahad (Golden Chain), whereas Upanishads have talked of Hiranyagarbha (Golden Womb). Upanishads have used the word 'part' or 'portion' of the Light where as Mohammad, all his life, kept calling Fatima as a part of me and people wrongly understood that Mohammad said so owing to his great love for his daughter. If Quran was saying that Mohammad spoke nothing but what was divinely ordained, we should have tried to understand the true meaning behind what Mohammad was saying.
Even the place Makhah is being described in the Vedas as the sacred place where the Devatas would take birth in human form. Incidents from their lives are described so as to enable the people to identify them when they would take birth. Since Agnideva is Husain in Noor state, hymns devoted to Agnideva are full of mention of sacrifice, killing, fighting, etc. Even the mention of slaying of a young child is described.
Question arises why could those who believed in the Vedas couldn't understand what was being described there. It was because nobody could have ever imagined that the Vedas would talk of Devatas being killed and tortured. They did say that the Vedas are talking of fight between Devatas and Asuras but how could have anybody made a guess that Devatas who were described as all powerful and who lorded over the universe would be slaughtered and killed. To give an example, when the incident of Ali being dragged on the road with noose tied to his neck is described in the Vedas, people translated it as the Devata using the noose of rope to capture his enemies and dragging them. Wherever sacrifice of Agnideva was mentioned, it was seen akin to putting oblations in the fire.
Vedas were repeatedly talking about the time when Devatas viz. Indra deva, Vayu deva, Devi, Agni deva, Vasu deva and the rest will take birth in a secret place. What more secret place could there have been than the barren desert of Arabia, which was distant from all the major caravan routes of the time and you would have to make a special journey into the desert to reach there. Brhad Aranyaka Upanishad says that when on death bed, people used to lament to their sons that they who were to come didn't come in their lifetime and if they come in the lifetime of their sons, they should support them. This shows that people were waiting for someone to come, who had not come even after the Vedas were written.
Can the present day commentators elaborate who were the people at the time of writing of Upanishad that people were waiting for? And why they could never explain how, why and when Devatas and Asuras fought pitched battles. Inability to understand these led to later day commentators refuting the very presence of Devatas, thus further deviating from the true intended meaning.
Any questions/clarifications related to this, feel free to ask. You may also write at mohammadalvi786@gmail.com
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